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I'll kick off by quoting Reg in the BaM thread.
Nerd alert! AWOOGA! ........

The HST/IC125 saved British Rail's bacon back in the 1970s (40% passenger increase in 4 years). A huge step change in journey times. I knew a number of the people involved with the development of the tilting APT (Advanced Passenger Train). Lot of advanced new world-first ideas for the time, boffins (some ex-aero), some problems, but they were almost there when That Woman cancelled it (in classic British fashion) and we now reap the rewards with the Pendolino tin cans, effectively buying our own technological breakthroughs back off the Italians. The APT guys were not well-liked by other engineers (some reports said they were banished to their own separate toilets!). When BR saw what was happening they tasked some of the more traditional pipe-smoking engineers to come up with a fairly "normal" but still very powerful (hence 125mph) alternative. Quick fag packet design, with some clever styling, and it was sorted in record time. Of course this is when we used to make things :wink: . As mentioned elsewhere the last ones have only just come out of service 40 years later.
HST's (which is what my dad always called them) are still in service with ScotRail as well as with Great Western and Cross Country I think. As mentioned elsewhere, some have gone to Mexico and others to Nigeria. I'm just sad that the line over Rannoch Moor isn't suitable for high speed running.

Anyway, I was invited to a talk a couple of years back given by one of the fitters who worked with my dad at Bath Road depot in Bristol and later on the new HSTs at St Philips Marsh. In the early days of going into service, power car 43020 was notorious for losing power unexpectedly, so much so that it was unofficially known as Damien from the film The Omen, which also came out in 1976.

"So I climbed up into the fuel tank, a filthy box slung underneath which gleamed inside. It was quite psychedelic to be honest, plus there was the diesel fumes. Anyway I started to look for anything which might have been causing the engine to cut out. We'd taken everything else to pieces and checked it all twice; the fuel tank was literally the last place we expected to find anything, but there in the corner was a packet of sandwiches that someone must have lost back in Derby [where they were built]. It had been washing up against the outlet causing the fuel pressure to drop and the engine to shut down."

Damien was renamed Mother's Pride.
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Sometimes BR could give BL a run for their money :lol: .
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:-bd

Good story, bit like the surgeon who loses his watch....

My HST story is the 150th anniversary of the worlds first railway station and passenger line - Shildon in the North East of England and the line to Darlington. Shildon was also the home of Timothy Hackworth who invented a steam loco before George Stevenson, but Stevensons beat his one in the trials. Anyway, the line used to run about a mile away from our house so we all trooped down to see the procession of trains from Puffing Billy, right through to the HST, including Mallard, Sir Nigel Gresley, The flying Scotsman etc. The HST looked like a space rocket compared to all the others (The Mallard class did look cooler to our eyes though) and we all put pennies on the rail line to get them squashed by the train. Yes - no barriers we just stood at the side of the tracks!

200th anniversary is coming up so will be down there for it.
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So I climbed up into the fuel tank, a filthy box slung underneath which gleamed inside. It was quite psychedelic to be honest, plus there was the diesel fumes. Anyway I started to look for anything which might have been causing the engine to cut out. We'd taken everything else to pieces and checked it all twice; the fuel tank was literally the last place we expected to find anything, but there in the corner was a packet of sandwiches that someone must have lost back in Derby [where they were built]. It had been washing up against the outlet causing the fuel pressure to drop and the engine to shut down."
Kevin (Blackhound) - remember those sandwiches you put down then wondered where they'd gone.... :o :lol:
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Whatever else BR sarnies might have been, according to the tediously repeated mantras of the time, they could have at least been advertised as long-lasting and indestructible, a bit like ships biscuits. "Our sarnies will survive a year in an active fuel tank so pop one in your bag and you can be sure it will always be there when you need it".
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Good story! :-bd

My BR experiences don't got back quite as far; but my dad, brother, and I used to regularly go out on Network away days/kids for a quid things in the late 80s, and I used to love the early start on a Saturday morning to spend the whole day travelling about and looking at trains (can we say trainspotting, because that's what it was?!). Was also a member of the Rail Riders club! Also used to go to depot open days at Eastleigh and Branksome as they were close to us.

Aside form enjoyable days out and innocent fun, it also gave me lots of memories of BR probably at its worst. Most trains were filthy and fairly unreliable, the stations were awful - especially remember St Pancras long before it was modernised to the palace it is now, and it was an absolute hole of a place. But we used to make a point of finding HST lines to watch them come screaming through at full speed. Those old Valenta engines and their turbo where incredibly loud and smoky...it made the noise of a jet engine and the smoke of a bonfire :ugeek:

Anyway, I enjoy a measure of nostalgia, but I also quite like train travel as it is today, surprisingly. It is expensive (sometimes ludicrously so), and not that reliable, but I still like it as a mode of transport, and they are generally clean fast and comfortable, and environmentally better than driving. Having used trains abroad a reasonable amount, you can see the potential for how they could be better in this country too, and how the model of state subsidy could be different. Fear not, BR is about to be GBR, as the word 'Great' will undoubtedly make it so! :lol:
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Great story, but I can also assure Pete and others they weren't mine. I was confined to the offices where I could not cause trouble - except to the finances.

When I worked at Heaton depot a couple of times I got a ride in the cab of an HST into Newcastle before getting a train back to York, that was a great view. I also got a free trip on something like the Class 156. I was working in York and the trains were being introduced and they needed guinea pigs to go on a journey and test things like the food trolley. I remember taking my then young daughter.

A few years later, it must have been 1994 I guess, Eurostar were similarly looking for people to go on a test run to Paris and back (and test the trolley, of course, by now I was an expert in this). My missus, we had not been dating long at this point, knew someone who had gone to work for Eurostar and they were giving out free tickets to volunteers. We probably had to take a days leave, but we went out 1st class and back in standard class, all food provided. We also had to fill in a questionnaire about the service, all in all a grand day out.

Away from trains, I once went right up on the Forth Bridge during a team meeting in Embra, got pictures somewhere.
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faustus wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:47 am Fear not, BR is about to be GBR, as the word 'Great' will undoubtedly make it so! :lol:
Another reason to celebrate a Cheery Friday! :YMPARTY:
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Good stuff. Following my disappointment that the 08.38 to Inverness via Pitlochry wasn't the HST promised on the timetable last Thursday, a nice man at ScotRail got back to me with this link:

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/

which tells you exactly which trains are running on the day.
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The G in GBR doesn’t have to be Great, Good would still be an improvement
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My only rail story (which is part of a much longer tale involving drunkenness, missed / cancelled trains, being late for an interview but still getting the job, using the London Underground for free, being given the best vegetable samosas I've ever tasted by a very kind Indian lady and an unplanned bivouac in Lancaster bus station) is from a journey on a very overcrowded train north from London Euston during some prolonged rail strikes in the 90s.
I went to use the toilet and it was one of those new fangled (in 1994) toilets with a sliding door that opened with a press of a button. When the door started to open there was a scream, which attracted the attention of everyone in the vicinity. The scream came from a horrified middle aged woman who was sat on the toilet with her knickers around her ankles. I was almost as shocked as the unfortunate woman, but the door had to fully open before it could close again, despite me pressing the close button repeatedly. When the door finally started to close I went to find a toilet at the opposite end of the train , where I discovered that there was a separate lock button, which I made sure to press.
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The Cumbrian wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 11:08 am ...an unplanned bivouac in Lancaster bus station
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..a horrified middle aged woman who was sat on the toilet with her knickers around her ankles...
Yup: been there (impromptu Preston station platform 4 bivi on a Sunday night whilst waiting to gatecrash the sleeper to Euston in time for work on Monday) & done that (I wonder if it was the same unfortunate woman :lol: ).

And lo-and-behold: tonight's BaM has got off to a frustrating start due to a broken rail at Cheddington. FFS :roll:.
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PaulB2 wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 12:59 pm The G in GBR doesn’t have to be Great, Good would still be an improvement
Gregarious would be nice (disabled people, cyclists etc.)
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Nice to see one of dad's HSTs enjoying its semi-retirement. Managed to catch one both ways this weekend and clocked a maximum speed of 88mph using Komoot.
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Nice pic.
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<see "Brompacking" thread> :-bd
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I think we'll rejuvenate this one again as I've suddenly remembered something from my recent South Wales caper.

Having mentioned in "Black Country Brompacking" that Pickers and myself caught one of the few locomotive-hauled services still left, from Birmingham to Stourbridge Junction, and having also mentioned that some of the others are sleeper services and some Cardiff-Holyhead trains (and for now we'll ignore the fact that IC125 High Speed Trains could be claimed to have locomotives at each end).....

During my South Wales outing I jumped onto an evening Cardiff to Pontypool train with literally 13 seconds to spare, and it turned out to be one of the aforementioned locomotive-hauled Cardiff-Holyhead trains!

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I then biked round the Valleys for a couple of days and took a baby single-coach train up the Ebbw valley to bivvy with Verena. Next morning I screamed down to Abergavenny to start my marathon four-changes-of-train home. By some fluke another locomotive-hauled Cardiff-Holyhead one turned up for my 20-minute hop to Hereford. And if we're being technically pedantic the train was pushed by the locomotive not hauled. You can also see a corresponding Holyhead-Cardiff one at the other platform going the other way.

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These trains have proper restaurant cars on them, again very few of these now exist (another sad loss to "progress"). It might have been amusing to sit myself down and request a BaM "second breakfast" so long as they could serve it all on my 20-minute journey :smile: .

This is actually a trip I'd like to take sometime. Board the evening Cardiff-Holyhead service for the whole distance, with my bike and bivvy kit, partaking of a 3-course dinner (local Welsh food of course) whilst enjoying the restful Welsh Borders scenery along the way.

Bike and bivvy near Holyhead.

Jump back on in the morning (some daft time like 05.30 I think) for the return trip with a full breakfast.

Will have to save it for a long summer day now for maximum daylight.
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RIP wrote: Sun Oct 13, 2024 6:39 pm This is actually a trip I'd like to take sometime. Board the evening Cardiff-Holyhead service for the whole distance, with my bike and bivvy kit, partaking of a 3-course dinner (local Welsh food of course) whilst enjoying the restful Welsh Borders scenery along the way.

Jump back on in the morning (some daft time like 05.30 I think) for the return trip with a full breakfast.

Will have to save it for a long summer day now for maximum daylight.
Alternatively: save it for the depths of winter and hope for severe delays, thus allowing you to BaM on the warm, comfortable train and catch the first departure home next morning (or second, if you fancy a lie-in) :smile:

Or, do both :-bd .
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