Last month's run - a health warning PSA

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Last month's run - a health warning PSA

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I know there's a few runners on here as well as singlespeeders and other daft sorts and few of us are young whippets..

TL-DR version - Any sense of swelling in your legs, get it properly checked.
Fit, active people may not show symptoms in the way sedentary folk do? I certainly didn't. Doctors may well dismiss certain causes because you're a generally fit and healthy person but it's good to know the signs of things that can be serious, perhaps be a bit pushy at the early stage. Don't think best-case positive "I'll be fine!", or get into a dark place thinking about the worst - either way you may miss something rarer but still serious.

Early last week I was in hospital overnight after going to A&E because things weren't right. I had bilateral pulmonary embolisms, moderate level blood clots in my lungs. My neighbour's friend died of the same thing only recently, though I'm assuming it was a more severe case. In hindsight signs were there but when things are happening and you're fearing something far worse as well as the symptoms being easy to attribute to simpler causes, maybe you don't think straight.
All in all, if the clot risk was realised earlier I may not have gone for a ride that may well have dislodged it or forced some of it into my lungs where it became a more serious problem. Or, it getting into other areas where I'd rather not think about the outcomes. I feel lucky and thankful.

Posting in case this helps someone else recognise or avoid a similar situation. Plus for a bit of cathartic relief I suppose.
  • About 8 weeks ago I went for a short trail run and after I got back I felt a mild pain in my calf. I thought I'd pulled a muscle. That night there was a pain point deep in the calf but nothing severe. A few days later we drove to Snowdonia for 3 days camping and hiking. We walked up Snowdon, around Ogwen valley and I had an easy day exploring the Bedgellert to Llanberis Pass valley. No sensations of calf pain, no sense of doing any damage. In hindsight perhaps it should have seemed odd that any muscle damage healed or disappeared so fast.
  • Soon after getting home my calf felt sore in a pressured kind of way when walking and swelling up. I got it checked for DVT at the local surgery on someone's recommendation 'just in case' and they said DVT was highly unlikely and the main or obvious symptoms weren't there. So to me this was simply a swollen calf - pressure on a vein from a muscle swelling perhaps. Over the next weeks it would swell if I stood up or walked a while, or a long day driving to/from office with desk work, but reduced fast with elevation. Maybe 5 weeks later the swelling was gone and I was riding as normal. Seems about the right time for a muscle issue to recover, I thought.
  • 3 weeks ago I'd got new shoes and pedals on my bike and felt like my hip/bike fit related pains on climbing were resolved, I had a Sunday morning of going all-out on a few local hills and long drags until I had to stop and slump over the bars to get breath, enjoying the feeling of being able to max out again after a fairly long period of fit issues giving me on/off ability. In hindsight my breathing was maxing sooner than my heart rate, I put it down to a general lack of top-end fitness. I'd done hill reps 8-9 weeks before and felt ok at my usual threshold HR.
  • That night and for a few nights after my ribs were giving me gyp and I had that intercostal muscle strain feeling. Had to sit up to sleep and take Paracetamol. Thought I'd wrenched muscles by hauling on drop bars and the forced breathing almost to the stage of collapse. That pain reduced steadily over the next week, backing up me thinking it was muscular strain.
  • Odd mild fever symptoms started soon after the rib pain but my wife also felt ill a few days later, so any fever that may have been linked to inflammation I'd written off as a mild cold, one of those odd low symptom but feel groggy colds that go about these days.
  • The scary bit was when I saw a bit of blood in my morning phlegm a day or 2 after that initial 'muscle strain'. Maybe a ruptured blood vessel breathing so hard? Then it happened almost every morning for about a week, it wasn't going away, probably wasn't caused by the hard ride. The hard ride maybe just revealed something? I wasted a few days hoping it would 'just stop' as if it were a bleed then heal thing, probably stupid I know. Called 111 on a Friday afternoon, spoke to local GP and was told to call for a chest X-ray on Monday am. For context I smoked when I was a student and cycling faded from life for a while and that was part of a profile the Dr gave as a reason for the x-ray. Called them 9am last Monday, they had me booked in for 10.30am. Results can take 2-3 weeks they said.
  • I went to work the next day, up at 5 for an 85 mile drive so I usually stay over and I'm there for 2 days. Was in contact with the local surgery by 10am due to the ongoing symptoms inc the blood and tbh I was feeling rather odd, really not myself and I was scared. They said I should go to A&E.
    A&E took blood for tests, I told them about the calf swelling, the hard ride, sore ribs and then the blood in phlegm, they did an X-Ray then a CT scan 'to look at something in my lungs'. A couple of hours later I was taken into a doctor's room and they told me I had blood clots in my lungs. The rib area pain I'd had was pleuritic chest pain - combined with the blood there was a clear sign of pulmonary embolism at least 10 days earlier. I wonder if the local surgery could have picked up on that sooner but I don't think it would have changed where I am now anyway.
So that was it really, I was kept in for observation and now at home doing very little for a while and on a course of anticoagulants. Apparently bits of my lungs have died off (Infarctions) due to lack of blood flow which sounds bad to me but the specialist says they will recover and a full recovery should be expected in time. From the point some of the clot in the calf breaks off and lodges in the lung there isn't a lot you can do, it'd be surgically removed if larger and very serious, in most cases inc mine we have to let the body break them down and I need to rest to let that happen without agitating my cardiovascular system. No cycling for 6 weeks : / But a pretty solid excuse for every time I get dropped in future : )

Look after yourselves..
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Hi James, glad to hear that you are OK!
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My friend, who is also a cyclist, had exactly the same thing happen to him, which is very strange !
Just messaged him and he said he was on blood thinners for a year.
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Healing vibes James, sounds like things could have been a lot worse 🙏

You’re the 3rd person in the last couple of months that I’ve heard a similar story. Both the others weren’t cyclists, but they were relatively fit & healthy. One was told whilst receiving treatment in hospital that they’d been seeing more & different types of people with blood clots than they would expect..

Definitely worth getting anything remotely possible to be a clot looked at properly..
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Thanks Rich, Jase and Andy.
Jase, I can't think why it might be increasing but it does seem to be something that sometimes has no identifiable cause. In my case most likely some minor muscle injury but not always a know cause. The danger of trying to get more informed online though.. and IANADr. The Dr mentioned dehydration through exercise and I do tend to drink very little when out and about, on the bike or otherwise, so that'll change in future.
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Wow, glad you're ok. Thanks for posting to try and warn others. I'm not great at keeping hydrated while riding either - another reason to try and manage that. You'd have to be prophetic to take those symptoms and arrive at that diagnosis without the benefit of hindsight though. Best of luck with the recovery.
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hope you get sorted James, and hopefully no long term problems.

i have had 2 x bouts of DVT in the past. big nasty clots in my right leg after being laid up after surgery, even whilst on warfarin.
had some clot busting injections which cured it.
it isnt nice when it happens, and is a worry it may happen again.

take care mate. :-bd
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Great that you had the good sense to go to A&E, heal quick James

I'd like to add that it's worth understanding stroke symptoms as well, my brother suffered a stroke a few years back but luckily he and his partner quickly cottoned on to what was happening. An early intervention meant he made a full recovery
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Taylor, Dave, Northwind, Ton.. cheers.
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Blimey! Best wishes for a relaxed and full recovery, James. :YMHUG:

Thanks for letting us know: one to store away, just in case.
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Individually, none of your symptoms looked worrying - certainly I'd have crossed them off my worry list quite quickly, it's the whole episode when linked together that's concerning. Get well soon and take a rest from the bike - you'll be back in no time!
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jameso wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:50 pm I know there's a few runners on here as well as singlespeeders and other daft sorts and few of us are young whippets..
That certainly got my attention!

That was tough reading but I'm pleased you're to going to be ok. It's easy to just assume the odd ache etc. is a result of age and trying to still ride like a nipper, that's a timely reminder to be more aware of symptoms and not just dismiss them.
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Individually, none of your symptoms looked worrying
I know what you mean. Blood in phlegm for a week or more isn't normal I don't think but all the rest can be middle age desk jockey on a bike strains, as Sean says. Sometimes you go at a hill like you're still 30.
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Glad to hear it's all treatable and the fix is to just put your feet up for a bit. I'll admit that I always have so many little aches and pains before, during and after a run that I tend to ignore them or I'd never get out the door :grin:
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Yikes. Glad you're OK James, Thanks for sharing, not a bad thing for any of us to be generally more aware.
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Very close call that James. Glad you're OK and taking it easy. Probably a solid excuse to have a bit of a lifestyle/dietary/alcohol charge if you're that way inclined. All worked for me in a similar situation.

Bilateral PEs and still struggling on. Amazing (and very close call)...
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*change not charge. Don't wanna be charging in for the booze and other poor nutritional choices JamesO
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Probably a solid excuse to have a bit of a lifestyle/dietary/alcohol charge if you're that way inclined. All worked for me in a similar situation.
Definitely, times like this are ideal for a change habits. Anything specific you can think of for this kind of thing? I have cut down to 1 coffee a day since and drunk a lot more water, aiming to minimise dehydration. Apart from one yesterday evening in the sunshine I haven't had a beer since the A&E trip 10 days ago. Usually a few beers over a weekend, but not in the week and a bit of a lightweight overall : )
Diet's pretty good, not a lot of meat and mainly home-prepared food. Lifestyle .. escaping the desk would be welcome but WFH much of the week means I get out most days for a ride or a walk.
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To be honest James, it sounds like you've pretty much nailed the lifestyle habits already - not sure how bad alcohol is for causing clots but in general I don't think it's a specific speciality of that, though in general certain meats and alcohol/smoking is probably what screws us over. What I did after I started being worried about clots (poor eating for well over 30 years and long term smoker) due to the leg swelling, is reduce asuch risk of cholesterol as possible.

Remember that high density and low density (lipoprotein) cholesterol are slightly different. We want more high density but less/zero low density. What the HDL does is cleaves/cleans the blood vessels of the cholesterol that - though not limited to - would risk breaking down and causing a clot....

So (this first bit probably doesn't apply to you James as your under the medics) what I did was keep Aspirin close to hand (low dose only), but more importantly added raw olive oil into the diet. Like a tablespoon of it or more a day. Palestinian Yaffa (fair trade) stuff is probably the very best but I imagine harder to get hold of Currently.

If you search it James (in due course) then you'll find some doctors explaining the benefits of the olive oil in greater detail. There's actually a theory that there is no upper limit to taking raw (uncooked) olive oil. This is the school if thought I prescribe to and it's done me wonder.

Obviously all the above is personal opinion and it's always good speaking to your local favourite health professional on the topic. Lastly FWIW, I really think you were one of the few that was just a bit unfortunate in this case. If it was a massive PE I'm certain we might not have been having this convo so soon.
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Dehydration... Is a nasty thing James. It's classed as a swear word in our house and most people hate me for it (going on about it). Obviously ovehyrsating is also a thing but that's a tiny tiny section of the population.
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Interesting about olive oil and cholesterol, thanks. I was at the Drs today for results of last week's follow-up blood tests and my cholesterol levels were part of it, all good, no concerns there. Still.. I love olives and olive oil with veg so no reason not to :-bd

Also seem to have a rather low haematocrit level in my blood test results. Need some EPO to get me up to the high 50s :grin:
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Crikey. A sobering read James, almost literally :lol: So many things about getting old petrify me. :???:

Glad you're OK.
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I've had three clots in my legs, but thankfully none ending up in PE.

I did have to have a filter installed / removed... which remains one of the most terrifying experiences I've ever gone through (not least when the surgeon managed to lose the hook on removal, only to thankfully be able to grab it again).

Very glad to hear you're on the mend.
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Richard G wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 10:00 pm I've had three clots in my legs, but thankfully none ending up in PE.

I did have to have a filter installed / removed... which remains one of the most terrifying experiences I've ever gone through (not least when the surgeon managed to lose the hook on removal, only to thankfully be able to grab it again).

Very glad to hear you're on the mend.
Show him/us a pic of what you looked like during your hospital stay pls Rich. Glad you healed all OK.
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