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redshift Stem and seat post

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:32 pm
by dlovett
Who here owns either or both? Are they any good?

I'm looking at them for my Camino, which I use for all terrains. It's got normal carbon forks and a 650b wheelset, so sus forks are pricey and would add quite a bit of weight. Was thinking about a Redshift and now have seen their Black Friday bundle deals, and I'm seriously thinking about it. The bike rides most of its life on tarmac, where I guess they won't make much difference, but for all the off-road stuff, do they actually work?

Re: redshift Stem and seat post

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:37 pm
by Valerio
I own both.

They'll both make difference, including on tarmac.

If you can't get both I'd prioritise the stem.

Re: redshift Stem and seat post

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:58 pm
by dlovett
Ta for the recommendation, I didn't think they would make much of a difference on road but sounds like it could help in day to day stuff, like this years audax events.
Their website is pretty misleading with the deal, they picture both, but you only get one at the super deal price. Still the Stem is £40 off. Think that would be the best option as occasionally I still use a dropper on that bike.

Re: redshift Stem and seat post

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2024 4:49 pm
by Lazarus
I like the stem and dont really notice it (.seem.to get less movement as elastometer age ??) In terms.of movement or handling have ridden my other bike and boy can you tell even on tarmac
Indo recomend it as a decent solutionnand ended my palm paim
Please note you cannot strap a light to your bars as it will do your head in watching the light bounce about

Re: redshift Stem and seat post

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:35 pm
by yourguitarhero
Not quite the same, but I have some springy bits on my drop bar bike.
I have an old Rockshox MTB elastomer suspension seatpost and an AliExpress knock off of a Cane Creek eeSilk elastomer stem which from comparing to the real thing is basically the real thing.

BAD:
STEM: The stem feels weird when moving off or when hill climbing out of the saddle - as it also moves up the way so you can kind of yank it up as well?
It also has a variety of elastomers and a tension dial. I have the heaviest elastomer in it and the tension dial all the way to stiffest and I think I would like it to be a bit stiffer. I'm not particularly heavy (though I am no roadie) and have a relatively upright position on the bike, but would like it to be stiffer.
It would also be nice if the tension dial was a full lockout.

SEATPOST: Nothing

GOOD:
STEM: It really works well on anything "gravel". I run 38mm tyres at 40psi and with the two together, the bike rides really smoothly on fire-road or double track terrain.
I also found that, other than moving off, on an audax ride with pretty rolling terrain (i.e. no steep climbs) I didn't notice it was on the bike.

SEATPOST:
it does its job with no fuss and just makes the bike comfier, again on fire-road/double-track

The bike is out of its depth once you get on to XC style mountain biking.

I am not sure how much that helps you :)

Re: redshift Stem and seat post

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2024 9:26 pm
by johnnystorm
I've got both and would recommend them. If you use a seatpack it could cause some problems if the straps go around the pivots.

Re: redshift Stem and seat post

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2024 9:52 pm
by Lazarus
Dont try to bunny without practicing first....learnt that the hard way, as you will pull up the stem before the wheel leaves the ground.

Re: redshift Stem and seat post

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2024 10:08 pm
by Valerio
yourguitarhero wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:35 pm Not quite the same, but I have some springy bits on my drop bar bike.
I have an old Rockshox MTB elastomer suspension seatpost and an AliExpress knock off of a Cane Creek eeSilk elastomer stem which from comparing to the real thing is basically the real thing.

BAD:
STEM: The stem feels weird when moving off or when hill climbing out of the saddle - as it also moves up the way so you can kind of yank it up as well?
It also has a variety of elastomers and a tension dial. I have the heaviest elastomer in it and the tension dial all the way to stiffest and I think I would like it to be a bit stiffer. I'm not particularly heavy (though I am no roadie) and have a relatively upright position on the bike, but would like it to be stiffer.
It would also be nice if the tension dial was a full lockout.

SEATPOST: Nothing

GOOD:
STEM: It really works well on anything "gravel". I run 38mm tyres at 40psi and with the two together, the bike rides really smoothly on fire-road or double track terrain.
I also found that, other than moving off, on an audax ride with pretty rolling terrain (i.e. no steep climbs) I didn't notice it was on the bike.

SEATPOST:
it does its job with no fuss and just makes the bike comfier, again on fire-road/double-track

The bike is out of its depth once you get on to XC style mountain biking.

I am not sure how much that helps you :)
Out of curiosity....how do you know your knock-offs are the same as the real thing?

For example, the Redshift stem doesn't move upwards.

Re: redshift Stem and seat post

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:55 pm
by riderdown
I like the stem, there is a weight limit on the seat post

Re: redshift Stem and seat post

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2024 1:33 am
by dlovett
Lazarus wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 4:49 pm I like the stem and dont really notice it (.seem.to get less movement as elastometer age ??) In terms.of movement or handling have ridden my other bike and boy can you tell even on tarmac
Indo recomend it as a decent solutionnand ended my palm paim
Please note you cannot strap a light to your bars as it will do your head in watching the light bounce about
Ah that could be an issue then as we run a Revo either on the bars or I run tribars with it on the end of that. In terms of normal roads I assume it won't bounce too much?

Does anybody have the Garmin mount as well, does that therefore bounce about ??

Re: redshift Stem and seat post

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2024 8:55 am
by yourguitarhero
Valerio wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 10:08 pm
Out of curiosity....how do you know your knock-offs are the same as the real thing?

For example, the Redshift stem doesn't move upwards.
I compared the eeSilk stem to a genuine one that someone I know had, we disassembled both. Some of the parts (lever and elastomers) would swap over between them.
The only difference was the fake one had some different machining inside the stem body.

Re: redshift Stem and seat post

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2024 9:11 am
by godivatrailrider
I have the stem on the Jones with Jones bars.

Hands forward on the front loop it works very well ( had to try all the elastomers to tune it )
Hands on the normal rear position it doesn't work at all because I'm behind the pivot point and therefore effectively pushing the stem up.
TBH that's fine as I'm used to rigid and prefer knowing what my bike is doing.
Six pack mounted on the front works fine too.
It's nice over gravel /ripples to be able to move to the front for the damping.
It's a Yes from me.

Re: redshift Stem and seat post

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2024 10:49 am
by dlovett
I did wonder about if it would move bikes as well and work with my jibes bars…..

Good to know about the lights.

quote=godivatrailrider post_id=330660 time=1733386285 user_id=3905]
I have the stem on the Jones with Jones bars.

Hands forward on the front loop it works very well ( had to try all the elastomers to tune it )
Hands on the normal rear position it doesn't work at all because I'm behind the pivot point and therefore effectively pushing the stem up.
TBH that's fine as I'm used to rigid and prefer knowing what my bike is doing.
Six pack mounted on the front works fine too.
It's nice over gravel /ripples to be able to move to the front for the damping.
It's a Yes from me.
[/quote]

Re: redshift Stem and seat post

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2024 10:50 am
by dlovett
Do you have a link to the one you bought? Keen to see if there is much of a price saving over the genuine ones.

Tia
yourguitarhero wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 8:55 am
Valerio wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 10:08 pm
Out of curiosity....how do you know your knock-offs are the same as the real thing?

For example, the Redshift stem doesn't move upwards.
I compared the eeSilk stem to a genuine one that someone I know had, we disassembled both. Some of the parts (lever and elastomers) would swap over between them.
The only difference was the fake one had some different machining inside the stem body.

Re: redshift Stem and seat post

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2024 10:59 am
by yourguitarhero
dlovett wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 10:50 am Do you have a link to the one you bought? Keen to see if there is much of a price saving over the genuine ones.

Tia
The Aliexpress listings seems to all be out of stock/no longer available. I am guessing it was such a blatant rip off.
It was ~£50 delivered though.

Re: redshift Stem and seat post

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2024 1:00 pm
by Lazarus
In terms of normal roads I assume it won't bounce too much?
I only did it once to ride locally, on tarmac, to a mates house and it is not something i wish to repeat. My bars barely move as well( other peoples have way more movement than mine / are softer). I strongy suspect bar mounting is just not an option.

My solution was to mount ( supernova long mount i think *) my dynamo light to the top tube steerer bung . I think i had to drill bottom hole wider to take a 5 mm bolt. Not sure how easy it is with a revo ( I use a sinewave beacon ) to make it fit other mounts

Its 90mm and on my gravel bike so happy to lend if you want to try one ( not after selling it ) dm if interested

*https://www.tradeinn.com/trekkinn/en/su ... lsrc=aw.ds

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Re: redshift Stem and seat post

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2024 6:10 pm
by riderdown
I rode the back roads back to Llanbrynmair and didn't notice any front light bobbing issue

Re: redshift Stem and seat post

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2024 10:18 pm
by Valerio
Mine has done about 3000km, including multi-day events, all-nighters and events like BB200.
Never had an issue with a 6pack mounted on the handlebar and I can't think of a heavier light :lol:

I had my stem set on max stiffness, meaning it would do relatively little on gravel but came into play when taking bigger hits.

Re: redshift Stem and seat post

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2024 1:09 am
by dlovett
Just been told that Westbrook cycles sell both the stem and seat post, take cycle to work and my company is a member.........

Re: redshift Stem and seat post

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2024 8:54 am
by jameso
I used to have a Flexstem BITD, I quite liked it tbh. Now many years later with a nagging shoulder injury I'm wondering if a sus stem might be good on the gravel bike and the USE model looks good. So just fwiw if anyone has a 70mm sus stem that they didn't get on with and wanted to move it on, let me know? Not sure if it's going to be right for me so hesitant to spend £200 on a new one.
Cheers,
jameso
Aged 10 years in one

Re: redshift Stem and seat post

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2024 9:18 am
by Valerio
jameso wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 8:54 am I used to have a Flexstem BITD, I quite liked it tbh. Now many years later with a nagging shoulder injury I'm wondering if a sus stem might be good on the gravel bike and the USE model looks good. So just fwiw if anyone has a 70mm sus stem that they didn't get on with and wanted to move it on, let me know? Not sure if it's going to be right for me so hesitant to spend £200 on a new one.
Cheers,
jameso
Aged 10 years in one
I seem to remember reading something about a 90(?) day returns-no questions asked for my Redshift stem when I bought it.
It might be worth looking into it if you'd like to try one.

I no longer use it as I've put a suspension fork (the stem is actually better for gravel) but it's 80mm long sorry.

Re: redshift Stem and seat post

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2024 10:59 am
by jameso
80mm can work if it's FS? Worth knowing about the 90 day thing, thanks

Re: redshift Stem

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 10:37 am
by godivatrailrider
godivatrailrider wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 9:11 am I have the stem on the Jones with Jones bars.

Hands forward on the front loop it works very well ( had to try all the elastomers to tune it )
Hands on the normal rear position it doesn't work at all because I'm behind the pivot point and therefore effectively pushing the stem up.
TBH that's fine as I'm used to rigid and prefer knowing what my bike is doing.
Six pack mounted on the front works fine too.
It's nice over gravel /ripples to be able to move to the front for the damping.
It's a Yes from me.
As an addendum .... I've bought an pair of Alpkit Confusius ( https://alpkit.com/products/sonder-confucius ) to try on the Jones
I LOVE my Jones bars but if the sweep didn't take my hands back behind the pivot point I'd actually get damping all the time ....
Hopefully the Postman will drop them off today ....

Re: redshift Stem and seat post

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2025 9:26 am
by godivatrailrider
.. bars fitted.
Redshift polymers things adjusted.
Still doesn't seem much damping unless I have my hands in the forward position on the loop.
Will try softer still at the risk of the hand forward position being too soft.
I ride pretty upright, most weight on my arse, not much on my hands, sometimes riding with just my fingertips on the bars, so maybe I need to go really soft on the polymers.
Fine tuning required

Re: redshift Stem and seat post

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2025 9:56 am
by Hyppy
godivatrailrider wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 9:26 am Still doesn't seem much damping unless I have my hands in the forward position on the loop.
I could be wrong but thought that was a 'known issue' being that they're intended for drop bars and so you'd need to be replicating the hoods/hooks position to bring your weight forward.

I use the eeSilk one on my gravel bike, and have just replaced the elastomer having worn the first out.