Trying my best to get around the swear filter

Following on from the ‘Is this bikepacking’ thread
https://bearbonesbikepacking.co.uk/phpB ... hp?t=24454

What is an ádventure?

See it loads on people selling trips/rides etc saying ádventure guaranteed, have an ádventure with us etc etc

ádventure guaranteed

Oxymoron.

Adventure requires an element of the unknown, there are no guarantees.

I'm fairly relaxed about this one - anytime you venture away from the built environment under your own steam anything might happen = adventure.

fatbikephil wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 8:01 pm I'm fairly relaxed about this one - anytime you venture away from the built environment under your own steam anything might happen = adventure.

Burn him!

Do we really need another pointless definition thread?

And yes, I know I could just ignore it

Do we really need another pointless definition thread?

No, I’m just a bit bored

Just interested on where people draw the line with adventure. Used to think it was just going out all day doing something fun, then thought it was something that happened to you whilst out (ie unplanned) but now thinking it’s more type 2/type 3 fun behaviour (ie feeling uncomfortable whilst out/pushing yourself to see the consequence)

Bearbonesnorm wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 7:14 pm

ádventure guaranteed

Oxymoron.

Adventure requires an element of the unknown, there are no guarantees.

"No guarantee of return".

That's adventure for you .

thenorthwind wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 9:06 pm

fatbikephil wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 8:01 pm I'm fairly relaxed about this one - anytime you venture away from the built environment under your own steam anything might happen = adventure.

Burn him!

Do we really need another pointless definition thread?

And yes, I know I could just ignore it

I'm also fairly cynical about people equating 'adventure' with 'suffering' There have been some terrible articles on that bikepacking lately where young well to do people do a cycle tour, struggle on a hill or two and then write it up like it's some horrendous type 3 epic and then try to suggest that the suffering is some kind of sole enhancing epiphany. (I feel a tirade coming on)

OK anything less than the 2023 BB300 is easy. So there. And that wasn't an adventure as I got exactly what I expected

Bearbonesnorm wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 7:14 pm

ádventure guaranteed

Oxymoron.

Adventure requires an element of the unknown, there are no guarantees.

Agreed

Pete wrote: "No guarantee of return".

That's adventure for you .

I'll remember that this weekend .

Anyroad, never mind all that, "Adventure" was in fact the better known name of a text-based computer game in the 1970's, aka "Colossal Cave", possibly the first ever decent computer game. I wasted huge amounts of time on it between 1977-81 when I should have been doing coursework . I finally managed to solve it, although eventually wangling a copy of the source code probably helped . I went on to add a lot of extensions to it. Ahhh great days.

You lot now with your young persons videographic virtual realness games or whatever you call them - rubbish in comparison to the original and best, where you had to use your imagination to visualise it all .

Zaphod: There's gonna be excitement, and adventure and really wild things!
Marvin: Sounds awful.

Funnily enough I was talking about this in a work meeting/presentation yesterday.. what does adventure mean to a brand and why is every bike company using the term. It's easy to jump on these things w/o getting into how or even if it's relevant so it either gets diluted or goes hyperbolic as brands and influencers try to one-up each other.

What would Bill say..

(Bill Hicks - https://youtu.be/tHEOGrkhDp0)

Adventure requires an element of the unknown, there are no guarantees.

Wanna climb the Eiger N Face with me this summer? I got some spare gear and the route looks easy to get started on. Adventure guaranteed!

Something about adventure being a lack of planning.. :)

But yeah.. pre-packaged adventure seems a bit .. flat

(I feel a tirade coming on)

I hear that tirade in a low voice narrative over an epic landscape video..

"This wild and open landscape that has taken all of our time, our energy and some of our soul simply began to represent the expanse of the forum...

And while we set out questioning the meaning of adventure, what we found was something deeper, a question that arose inside ourselves.."

Credits and sponsors logos scroll in white font centred over a big view drone shot...

The end

When we say 'element of the unknown' or uncertainty that doesn't automatically mean suffering or any type of fun located located high up the scale. We should take it literally ... what's down that track? as an example. Having something planned to the enth degree simply limits the possibility of adventure.

But I do agree that setting off up the north face of the Eiger with James while dressed in shorts and flip-flops would likely indicate that adventure was indeed guaranteed

As a little aside but still kind of OT, here's an example of how good the industry / media are .... I met a bloke the other day who was selling his hardtail mountainbike and buying a gravel bike so he "could go bikepacking"

jameso wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 7:29 am
I hear that tirade in a low voice narrative over an epic landscape video..

"This wild and open landscape that has taken all of our time, our energy and some of our soul simply began to represent the expanse of the forum...

And while we set out questioning the meaning of adventure, what we found was something deeper, a question that arose inside ourselves.."

Credits and sponsors logos scroll in white font centred over a big view drone shot...

"...in a time when ships were made of wood...and men were made of steel..."

Bearbonesnorm wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:03 am What's down that track? as an example. Having something planned to the enth degree simply limits the possibility of adventure.

Yep. And I'll refer back to my point about imagination being required with old computer games. Imagination equally applies to adventure. Following a pre-set line or a fixed route needs no imagination at all.

But I do agree that setting off up the north face of the Eiger with James while dressed in shorts and flip-flops would likely indicate that adventure was indeed guaranteed

I'll be riding off up the east face of Esgair Geulan this weekend dressed in sandals and fleece leggings with no undies so I'm hoping for a suitable adventure .

I met a bloke the other day who was selling his hardtail mountainbike and buying a gravel bike so he "could go bikepacking"

Good work people esp jameso video voiceover
I dont think it requires risk of death or immense suffering ( but it has to be a serious effort with a lot of challenge)

here's an example of how good the industry / media are .... I met a bloke the other day who was selling his hardtail mountainbike and buying a gravel bike so he "could go bikepacking"

He's probably embracing roadpackin', the freedom of the lanes and byways.

Sorry, I mean
Road-Packing(TM) - The Freedom of the Lanes and Byways

MuddyPete wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 8:12 am "...in a time when ships were made of wood...and men were made of steel..."

In a time when ships were made of steel and men had wood...

I think this is a very personal thing? I know people who would consider booking a different Tui holiday to the one they do every year would be wildly adventurous Others who feel going to a pub different to their local is an adventure too far Suspect an "Adventure Holiday" to the Alps costs a bit more than a "Holiday" to the Alps and has more takers too

jameso wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 7:19 am

Adventure requires an element of the unknown, there are no guarantees.

Wanna climb the Eiger N Face with me this summer? I got some spare gear and the route looks easy to get started on. Adventure guaranteed!

Something about adventure being a lack of planning.. :)

But yeah.. pre-packaged adventure seems a bit .. flat

That's pretty much how the guys in the '30's started out on that and the other N faces.... They certainly had adventures but that somewhat undersells what they went through!
I'm in

jameso wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 7:29 am

(I feel a tirade coming on)

I hear that tirade in a low voice narrative over an epic landscape video..

"This wild and open landscape that has taken all of our time, our energy and some of our soul simply began to represent the expanse of the forum...

And while we set out questioning the meaning of adventure, what we found was something deeper, a question that arose inside ourselves.."

Credits and sponsors logos scroll in white font centred over a big view drone shot...

The end

To further put myself forward for the funeral pyre, in recent years I've tried to avoid adventure on my trips - no crap weather, nice trails and plenty of re-supply. The reason being, I was on holiday and wanted a nice relaxing time...

Does a micro-adventure reduce the time on an adventure or reduce the amount of adventuring during the adventure? Or maybe just reduce the expectation of adventure?
Can you have an adventure of the mind tunnelling into words or is an adventure exclusive to getting outdoors and doing something?
So many questions

Does a micro-adventure reduce the time on an adventure or reduce the amount of adventuring during the adventure? Or maybe just reduce the expectation of adventure?
Can you have an adventure of the mind tunnelling into words or is an adventure exclusive to getting outdoors and doing something?
So many questions

Uhm, I once knew a girl who was quite adventurous but she preferred to be indoors

Bearbonesnorm wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 10:54 am Uhm, I once knew a girl who was quite adventurous but she preferred to be indoors

D'you know, I once knew a similar girl but she just loved the outdoors

"Raahh, the good old boy's club of adventure that warms the loins!"

Just an average BB trip out

Years ago at Shand, we started calling ourselves an 'Adventure Bike Company'. For us it was about trying to find something that could still mean serious, high-quality, performance equipment but without suggesting there was necessarily racing or speed involved. Of course there are other terms like 'recreation' for example but they sounded a little pedestrian from what we were trying to convey (pun intended). I do think it's probably an overused term these days though.