I found the quilt thing very comfy but struggle to be warm anywhere near the bags rating. I ended up sleeping with 2 base layers, a mid layer and a primaloft jacket on at the weekend. I am using an exped synmat too.

So sleeping bag needs to be -

Synthetic
Pack into a 13l drybag fairly easily
Weigh < 1500g
Keep me warm down to just below 0 happily and then be ok in winter with a liner and a primaloft jacket
Cost < £100

Anything wrong with either of these? I'm leaning towards the UK made Snugpak as so little seems to be made in the UK these days.

http://www.thistribe.com/snugpak-softie ... tAodVykAsw

http://www.gear-zone.co.uk/outdoor-equi ... n=shopping

My understanding is that MH are the leaders in synthetic bags ... difficult to see past the Lamina.

I was talking to the marketing chap from Snugpak last year and he mentioned that some of their manufacturing would be moving abroard ... which is a bit of a shame really.

I've had a couple of Softie bags - obviously bulkier than down but I've always found them warmer than their rating suggests - I've used a Softie 6 at @ 0 with just baselayers and a fleece hat and found it warm enough - when I had a Softie 9 I often found it too warm outside of winter.

Yeah Snugpak now do a range, called elite or something, that is chinese made. The softie range is still Yorkshire made.

My head says lamina, my heart says snugpak :?

Have you heard any negative feedback on the softie?

stevemorg wrote:I've had a couple of Softie bags - obviously bulkier than down but I've always found them warmer than their rating suggests - I've used a Softie 6 at @ 0 with just baselayers and a fleece hat and found it warm enough - when I had a Softie 9 I often found it too warm outside of winter.

That's good to hear. Given that I am in Scotland and seem to sleep a bit colder than some I don't think I'll be too hot very often.

Any ideas what size dry bag it will stuff straight in to?

My friend used a lamina 20 over the weekend and got hot duingthe night, so definitely worth a look.

Its also worth mentioning that sleep bag ratings rely on the person getting into the bag warm (do a few star jumps if needs be), well hydrated/fed and that the person is wearing some warm base layers.

My woman friend uses a lamina 20 (women's, though), so I'll check what size bag it stuff into this evening.

My two cent on a lamina bag are that they come up a lot smaller in width then most others.
How ever a nanok comfort -5 syn may meet your requiremnets....
Aviod there dowm bag as they are 3 season for only a year in the sense if you buy it and use it in winter by time it gets to summer it would have lost so much down it a idea summer bag
Well mine is any way

Edit scratch that nanoks weight have gone up

I would say that the softie range is easily the best cheap synthetic range out there, there brilliant, I use a softie 3 with silk liner for 3 season use and its fine , quite spacious aswell
If your anywhere near silsden (where snugpak is based) pop in and they sell all sorts of stuff off cheap if its an old/experimental colour or a cosmetic second, my softie cost me 35quid!

The lamina 20 (women's) fits into a 13l airlok.

Thanks, I need to make a decision either way today really...