but shows that QBP have very tight QC at least.

Or that the frames were so sh!t a toddler could have spotted how bad they were. Spotting that there are issues with all of a whole batch of frames is easy, it's when the number of poor frames are lower within the production run, and they are identified that shows good QC.

It's a bit of a mleh point I guess

Cheeky Monkey wrote:

but shows that QBP have very tight QC at least.

Or that the frames were so sh!t a toddler could have spotted how bad they were. Spotting that there are issues with all of a whole batch of frames is easy, it's when the number of poor frames are lower within the production run, and they are identified that shows good QC.

It's a bit of a mleh point I guess

Or they spotted a small number and sacked off the whole lot? Who knows, a shame none the less to narrow the range.

Fair point

I love a bit of Ti me

The Ti frame I was refering to was the 2015 run, which was scrapped then redone by another manufacturer.

GregMay wrote:The Ti frame I was refering to was the 2015 run, which was scrapped then redone by another manufacturer.

Ooh, interesting. The official line on dropping Lynskey was they wanted a manufacturer that could do whizzier things with Ti. Did they change again since then?

After building my cx bike I would love a Fargo or deadwood. Keeps looking on eBay for cheap Fargos

How cheap a Fargo? I have a large Fargo I need to find a home for. Adore my medium Fargo, which was bough as a frameset to swap all the bits over but built as a SS instead so have a 100 mile max cream large complete bike I need to sell.

I think that Deadwood is gorgeous, but the suggested prices by CtB are 90% of the dollar figure.

DrMekon wrote:I think that Deadwood is gorgeous, but the suggested prices by CtB are 90% of the dollar figure.

Ouch.

johnnystorm wrote:

DrMekon wrote:I think that Deadwood is gorgeous, but the suggested prices by CtB are 90% of the dollar figure.

Ouch.

I remember two years ago, my well mariachi was £500 (and I think the fargo frameset was the same price), now I think the same frame is closer to £900 (at least the last time it I looked it was!)

El Mar is about £599 at the moment. Your brain is over inflating things. That's the 2015 though.

BrianP wrote:How cheap a Fargo? I have a large Fargo I need to find a home for. Adore my medium Fargo, which was bough as a frameset to swap all the bits over but built as a SS instead so have a 100 mile max cream large complete bike I need to sell.

thank god a large is to big

GregMay wrote:El Mar is about £599 at the moment. Your brain is over inflating things. That's the 2015 though.

Sorry, I was taking about the fargo being £900. That's not much of an inflation in the El mariachi over the two years. Just hope Raleigh sucure the deal with salsa now (heard a rumor nothing has been finalised, not sure how true this is?)

voodoo_simon wrote:

GregMay wrote:El Mar is about £599 at the moment. Your brain is over inflating things. That's the 2015 though.

Sorry, I was taking about the fargo being £900. That's not much of an inflation in the El mariachi over the two years. Just hope Raleigh sucure the deal with salsa now (heard a rumor nothing has been finalised, not sure how true this is?)

The pics from STWs visit to Raleigh's new bike park showed Salsa flags/banners. Nowt on the Raleigh "other brands" webpage. My LBS also says Raleigh are crap at getting back to them when they show interest about stocking stuff.

voodoo_simon wrote:

GregMay wrote:El Mar is about £599 at the moment. Your brain is over inflating things. That's the 2015 though.

Sorry, I was taking about the fargo being £900. That's not much of an inflation in the El mariachi over the two years. Just hope Raleigh sucure the deal with salsa now (heard a rumor nothing has been finalised, not sure how true this is?)

Didn't the posher Fargos come with carbon forks that were something like £500 separately? It also gained alternator drops. Not that it should make that much difference.

johnnystorm wrote:

voodoo_simon wrote:

GregMay wrote:El Mar is about £599 at the moment. Your brain is over inflating things. That's the 2015 though.

Sorry, I was taking about the fargo being £900. That's not much of an inflation in the El mariachi over the two years. Just hope Raleigh sucure the deal with salsa now (heard a rumor nothing has been finalised, not sure how true this is?)

Didn't the posher Fargos come with carbon forks that were something like £500 separately? It also gained alternator drops. Not that it should make that much difference.

Ah, that explains the price hike. Didn't realise the carbon fork alone cost £500 Would still like one though but I think I could convert my El mariachi over to something similar

voodoo_simon wrote: Ah, that explains the price hike. Didn't realise the carbon fork alone cost £500 Would still like one though but I think I could convert my El mariachi over to something similar

http://www.charliethebikemonger.com/sal ... 4563-p.asp

OOF!

That's a ridiculous price for that fork. The Shand carbon fork (like the one I have on the Bahookie) looks very similar in shape and is half that price, albeit without the anything cage bolts (which I'd be wary of on a carbon fork anyway...).

Ian wrote:That's a ridiculous price for that fork. The Shand carbon fork (like the one I have on the Bahookie) looks very similar in shape and is half that price, albeit without the anything cage bolts (which I'd be wary of on a carbon fork anyway...).

Helps pay for this, can't wait to see someone clearing the doubles on a fully laden Deadwood!

Hey and there was me only a few weeks ago, concerned that a tie-in with Raleigh might 'cheapen' the brand

I've just looked at the 2015 full bike prices and to me, they look like a work of fiction ... fantasy fiction at that.

Ian wrote:That's a ridiculous price for that fork. The Shand carbon fork (like the one I have on the Bahookie) looks very similar in shape and is half that price, albeit without the anything cage bolts (which I'd be wary of on a carbon fork anyway...).

Had mine for two years, no issues with cages on the fork mounts. Also, rides just as nice as a Whisky9 fork or the Niner it replaced.

s8tannorm wrote:Hey and there was me only a few weeks ago, concerned that a tie-in with Raleigh might 'cheapen' the brand

I've just looked at the 2015 full bike prices and to me, they look like a work of fiction ... fantasy fiction at that.

They aren't going to get any cheaper. Just more scarce sadly.

They aren't going to get any cheaper. Just more scarce sadly.

Given the prices, I'm fairly sure that even if they were available in every LBS across the land, supply would outstrip demand by some considerable margin

Some of the bikes look nice but are starting to lose the 'functional' elements that made Salsa good.

e.g. new axle standard on the Deadwood. Why?

Plus the touring bike has a 44mm headtube and therefore a fairly uncommon headset. Not great if you wear out your bearings in Peru.

*walks away shaking head*

ctznsmith wrote: e.g. new axle standard on the Deadwood. Why?
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Because this is going to be the defacto standard for + style bikes, and most MTBs in the next year. Sorry.