Everywhere I'd looked John, they were discontinued. But, good to know though thanks.

redefined_cycles wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 3:38 pm

Dave Barter wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 2:50 pm

Richpips wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 6:42 pm ....Btw I do have a pair of Bontrager OMW, and whilst they do keep my feet warm as, the inners are more than damp after a proper day out in wet weather.

These are my go to winter boots .. as long as it’s dry

But, for a 240+ mile road ride Dave. Bit heavy? Waterproofing probably my biggest buying point (I'll have a goretex type trousers over my biking trousers so hopefully not too much ingress.

I don’t feel they are too heavy and they are waterproof but once wet they’re not the greatest.

Thanks Dave.

One of the reasons the OMW boots work so well for me is the removable inner. Boots will always get wet in Yorkshire but the inners dry easily overnight on the radiator, which is much faster than any other winter boots I've tried.

Probably not the the best for wet, multi-day rides, unless you have a spare set of inners - which I now have

Obviously, this is all useless information since they're OOS everywhere... Sorry

Johnallan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 6:58 pm One of the reasons the OMW boots work so well for me is the removable inner. Boots will always get wet in Yorkshire but the inners dry easily overnight on the radiator, which is much faster than any other winter boots I've tried.

Probably not the the best for wet, multi-day rides, unless you have a spare set of inners - which I now have

Obviously, this is all useless information since they're OOS everywhere... Sorry

Nah, it's good info thanks Allen. Even though they are put of stock. Smart thinking, removable inner. I think I'm almost set on some NorthWave Raptor Goretex versions.

Shaf, a lot of the winter specific boots are aimed at dry, cold (as in well below zero) conditions rather than the cool, damp (4C to 0C) that we associate with winter here. That means your feet will tend to sweat in such boots - even with thin socks in the Defrosters if it's not close to zero, maybe 2C or lower, then at the end of a ride my feet are damp, they aren't cold just damp. It's not ingress of water but egress of sweat.

A VBL system won't really work either as that is best suited to temps below -5C or so.

Ultimately if your feet are damp and warm then there's no problem so long as you can dry things at the end of the day. Drying your feet tends not to be the problem, it's the boot liner. If you don't have access to some form of artificial heating (radiator, etc) then a pair of hand warmers will do the trick.

Thanks Bob. I have 3 pairs of shoes sat out in front of me. Seems the DHB Troika Ton generously gave me don't have vent holes and he mentioned they might be worth of a winter with overshoes.

Decisions decisions, but one thing is for sure. My Shimano Winter boots (not the Goretex but the 5 series) are definitely a size smaller for me now. Managed to get my commute of 50 miles out of em today comfortably. But, without an insole!

The Bonti OMW are indeed very light for their warmth/volume, but the seam tape (to make them waterproof) started delaminating after only about 300 km or so. Zip showed wear early too. I don't see they'd last long for commuting - and for myself, they are too warm to use in anything above about -10 °C.
So thankfully, I don't have to care about rain.
For warmer winter riding I use the Shimano MW702 and really like them. They replaced Spec Defroster, which I found suitable in the shop, but rather awkward riding, well, especially walking (the bike) thanks to a very slippy sole/rubber. Way less sweaty too.
Limited experience here, but from the three mentioned the Shimano would be my suggestion. They are true to size and on the roomy side, but it may be worthwhile to size up one for thick socks any pressure points.

I can confirm (owning size 46 in Shimano mw501 and me200 summer shoes) that they really seem to need upsizing. Yes, just replacing the non goretex mw501 to some goretex mw702 might be a smart idea, if I can find em on offer.

I'm also eyeing up some Sidi goretex boots. Not sure if that's a smart thing TBH but they are Italian made it seems. So hopefully decent workmanship and won't be like my Shimano mw501 that were just never as waterproof as I'd anticipated.

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Thanks for that. Noted.

I’ve had a pair of the Endura ones for just over a year now, so far they are as warm and waterproof as my Shimano SPD ones

https://www.endurasport.com/mt500-burn ... 76424.html

Sussex Paul wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 8:04 am I’ve had a pair of the Endura ones for just over a year now, so far they are as warm and waterproof as my Shimano SPD ones

https://www.endurasport.com/mt500-burn ... 76424.html

Interesting... I'm looking at a pair of the SPD version of these for winter - how do they come up size and fit wise? A lot of (cycling especially) shoes come up too tight around and over my toes - I usually remove insoles strait away, but obviously that's not great on winter boot were you need to insulate your foot from the big metal heat sink bolted to the sole of your shoe.

And are they properly waterproof? don't expect to have to stand around in calf deep streams in them, but if they'll keep my socks dry for a 2.5 hour commute I'll be happy...

Si F

TeaFuelledMutantGingerBike wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:39 am

Sussex Paul wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 8:04 am I’ve had a pair of the Endura ones for just over a year now, so far they are as warm and waterproof as my Shimano SPD ones

https://www.endurasport.com/mt500-burn ... 76424.html

Interesting... I'm looking at a pair of the SPD version of these for winter - how do they come up size and fit wise? A lot of (cycling especially) shoes come up too tight around and over my toes - I usually remove insoles strait away, but obviously that's not great on winter boot were you need to insulate your foot from the big metal heat sink bolted to the sole of your shoe.

And are they properly waterproof? don't expect to have to stand around in calf deep streams in them, but if they'll keep my socks dry for a 2.5 hour commute I'll be happy...

Si F

What size are you Si. I may have the link to just the thing for ya.

redefined_cycles wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:19 pm

TeaFuelledMutantGingerBike wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:39 am

Sussex Paul wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 8:04 am I’ve had a pair of the Endura ones for just over a year now, so far they are as warm and waterproof as my Shimano SPD ones

https://www.endurasport.com/mt500-burn ... 76424.html

Interesting... I'm looking at a pair of the SPD version of these for winter - how do they come up size and fit wise? A lot of (cycling especially) shoes come up too tight around and over my toes - I usually remove insoles strait away, but obviously that's not great on winter boot were you need to insulate your foot from the big metal heat sink bolted to the sole of your shoe.

And are they properly waterproof? don't expect to have to stand around in calf deep streams in them, but if they'll keep my socks dry for a 2.5 hour commute I'll be happy...

Si F

What size are you Si. I may have the link to just the thing for ya.

I was thinking that Shaf - I'm about a 44 in Shimano, 43 in vans and most trainers and actually measure a 42 on a proper foot measuring thing. Usually size up to get enough space around my toes... Your may still be a touch too big, despite the hot washing episode, maybe I should give them a try. I do like the look of the Enduras though, especially the lairy orange ones

TeaFuelledMutantGingerBike wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:30 pm

redefined_cycles wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:19 pm

TeaFuelledMutantGingerBike wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:39 am

Sussex Paul wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 8:04 am I’ve had a pair of the Endura ones for just over a year now, so far they are as warm and waterproof as my Shimano SPD ones

https://www.endurasport.com/mt500-burn ... 76424.html

Interesting... I'm looking at a pair of the SPD version of these for winter - how do they come up size and fit wise? A lot of (cycling especially) shoes come up too tight around and over my toes - I usually remove insoles strait away, but obviously that's not great on winter boot were you need to insulate your foot from the big metal heat sink bolted to the sole of your shoe.

And are they properly waterproof? don't expect to have to stand around in calf deep streams in them, but if they'll keep my socks dry for a 2.5 hour commute I'll be happy...

Si F

What size are you Si. I may have the link to just the thing for ya.

I was thinking that Shaf - I'm about a 44 in Shimano, 43 in vans and most trainers and actually measure a 42 on a proper foot measuring thing. Usually size up to get enough space around my toes... Your may still be a touch too big, despite the hot washing episode, maybe I should give them a try. I do like the look of the Enduras though, especially the lairy orange ones

Well, if I manage to twist your arm. I'm 46 (and so we're the shoes) but now I can only really get comfy in em without the insoles. They're very good and any rubber that did delamination during the wash, me and the kids held it together for long enough that it's all welded together nicely.

I could drop em off in person therefore it costs you nothing. Definitely decent for long periods of showers but never really been water-proof as such. Rode em on the 300 miler audax/Dec ride (unsupported, it was only the route that was Audax linked) last year in Dec with just some cheap overshoes (can include them too ). All worked really lovely but I just wasn't happy with smelly socks after being shoe-jailed for well over 25H.

Erm, the bit to twist your arm. I can drop em off in person and include the cleats Phil is sending me his old NW which should fit me with insoles (as should these you). They're very good (or did I say that already). The Rockgiest can be brought down too (at the original £25 price I mentioned mid-BB200).

NB. I had found some Terra Fizik event shoes on offer at Sporstpursuit. Get reviewed very very good, but only in size 47. Problem is that their sizing is actually good, so they'll definitely be too big for me.

For ref, I think I'm shortlisted to these..

https://www.sportpursuit.com/catalog/pr ... id/3893981 - sadly not my size. So a bargain for someone who takes 47 or 48 in 5-10.

Option 1 - The Endura Burners MT500 now that we have some reports here and reviews look good.

Option 2 -
https://www.fizik.com/uk_en/terra-nanuq-gtx.html (but expensive but seems they've had alot of thought into longevity. Plus, plus... They ahev the Goretex Koala membrane.

Always wary of somethimg without an adjustable cuff as the most likely way for water to get in is from.the hole your foot goes.
If that collar is not snug you are going to have issues.

Good point John. I always assume the water is gonna get in from the top anyhow. So ensure to take some over-waterproofs. Makes sense now why lots of people compalin about the cuff but generally speaking (for both the Endura and Fizik) reviews by people seem really impressive. Warm too and hopefully very well made as it seems Fizik have spent alot of time/effort tuning them through from mk1.

Johnallan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 6:58 pm One of the reasons the OMW boots work so well for me is the removable inner. Boots will always get wet in Yorkshire but the inners dry easily overnight on the radiator, which is much faster than any other winter boots I've tried.

Probably not the the best for wet, multi-day rides, unless you have a spare set of inners - which I now have

Obviously, this is all useless information since they're OOS everywhere... Sorry

That's why I got them, for slightly different reasons; to have a warm inner boot to wear sleeping during multiday fatbikepacking in the Alps. Unfortunately, lots of my riding (with regular pushing in deep snow) leads to a tricky cleat situation, where I struggle to get into the pedal due to ice build up despite trying to trick the sh*t out of it. But this may be a rare occassion in the UK. Thinkig about how little I currently use mine, Shaf, what size are your feet? ...

redefined_cycles wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 4:39 pm Good point John. I always assume the water is gonna get in from the top anyhow. So ensure to take some over-waterproofs. Makes sense now why lots of people compalin about the cuff but generally speaking (for both the Endura and Fizik) reviews by people seem really impressive. Warm too and hopefully very well made as it seems Fizik have spent alot of time/effort tuning them through from mk1.

Whilst I never tried Fiziq winter boots I can recommend them from my experience with the Terra Ergolace. A great shoe. Took some time to break in, but then oh so lovely. Holding up really well. Not too tight, nor too roomy for feet used to wide shoes with no heel drop. If their winter boots work as well as the Terra...

Alpinum wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 8:15 pm

Johnallan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 6:58 pm One of the reasons the OMW boots work so well for me is the removable inner. Boots will always get wet in Yorkshire but the inners dry easily overnight on the radiator, which is much faster than any other winter boots I've tried.

Probably not the the best for wet, multi-day rides, unless you have a spare set of inners - which I now have

Obviously, this is all useless information since they're OOS everywhere... Sorry

That's why I got them, for slightly different reasons; to have a warm inner boot to wear sleeping during multiday fatbikepacking in the Alps. Unfortunately, lots of my riding (with regular pushing in deep snow) leads to a tricky cleat situation, where I struggle to get into the pedal due to ice build up despite trying to trick the sh*t out of it. But this may be a rare occassion in the UK. Thinkig about how little I currently use mine, Shaf, what size are your feet? ...

I'm a 10.5 in UK Five10 size. Technically 294mm according to the sizing on both my winter and summer shimano (in size eu46). Thanks for the good updates about the Fizik. Managed to get a load of work shifts forced on me, so hopefully that dream of some shiny new boots is looking more realistic...

Darn, mine are 45.

There's something pleasing about getting shiny new shoes covered in muck. You've got something to look forwards to

TeaFuelledMutantGingerBike wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:39 am

Sussex Paul wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 8:04 am I’ve had a pair of the Endura ones for just over a year now, so far they are as warm and waterproof as my Shimano SPD ones

https://www.endurasport.com/mt500-burn ... 76424.html

Interesting... I'm looking at a pair of the SPD version of these for winter - how do they come up size and fit wise? A lot of (cycling especially) shoes come up too tight around and over my toes - I usually remove insoles strait away, but obviously that's not great on winter boot were you need to insulate your foot from the big metal heat sink bolted to the sole of your shoe.

And are they properly waterproof? don't expect to have to stand around in calf deep streams in them, but if they'll keep my socks dry for a 2.5 hour commute I'll be happy...

Si F

Here’s how they compare to the rest of my shoes

Endura 8.5/42.5
5.10 8.5/42.5
Spesh 8/42
shimano. 9/43
Vans 8/42

How on earth have I accumulated so many bike shoes?

Keeping water out the tops of your boots requires gaiters! Planet X / Carnac overshoes work too (neoprene / velcro ones). But for roady boots my vaude overtrousers keep the rain out the tops.

Anyway, Lake MX146's turned up today. For £155 I'm happy with them, not sure about paying full wack though (£220) Wide fit is exactly like my lace up 300's but a better bet for road and gravel and tall enough for my over trousers to go over the tops. Boa dial is a PIA but much better than the one on the Northwaves, plus its on the ankle not down in the mud, so hopefully wont' clog up.