No it's ok, alpkit have a pretty good returns policy...rock and run for the 150 want me to pay for the postage if it's not what I want. I seen johns 250 last night and there is gaps in the down when held to the light.

I, however did say when I first got into this last year that I wouldn't buy twice...That's why I chose the sleeping bag I did (cumulus)

Hmm....

There's gaps in the down on my quilt and my winter bag when held to the light but in my little brain there needs to be gaps for the air to circulate and loft the down , I may be wrong but that's what's in my head

When you're talking about small(ish) amounts of down, there'll always be gaps as there just isn't enough down to evenly cover the required area ... and yes, you don't want to cram it in too tightly as there's no where for it to expand and loft, especialy with a high fp down.

Thanks again guys... wish I knew as much as I do about bikes with the bike packing stuff.

I only learn by asking questions ,not being afraid to look stupid and reading other people's posts on here ,like everything else in life we just keep learning

middleagedmadness wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:18 pm I only learn by asking questions ,not being afraid to look stupid and reading other people's posts on here ,like everything else in life we just keep learning

True that....I guess I'll have to make sure I'm happy before I use it!