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Re: WRT TLS or TTMS?
Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 8:12 pm
by whitestone
With everything except trail snacks and 500ml of water but including evening meals the bike and kit come to 17.6kg (for Taylor that's 38.8mina*), I reckon the missing stuff will come to 1kg.
*Ancient Greek unit of weight very similar to the ancient British unit of weight known as the pound

Re: WRT TLS or TTMS?
Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 9:46 pm
by Taylor
whitestone wrote:With everything except trail snacks and 500ml of water but including evening meals the bike and kit come to 17.6kg (for Taylor that's 38.8mina*), I reckon the missing stuff will come to 1kg.
*Ancient Greek unit of weight very similar to the ancient British unit of weight known as the pound

Just accept the fact, you've lost Bob.
Re: WRT TLS or TTMS?
Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 11:00 am
by RIP
And they're off! Today's contestants in Wacky Races (WR(t)) are..
Made a literally last 5 minute decision to pull out the winter bag in favour of summer one ditching 400g in the process. Offset by the extra fleece which may or not leave BBT. Still loaded down with bushels of paracetamol - I suppose I could eat them all now on the train as a preemptive pain (and possibly life I admit) killing attempt.
Good news, it sez 'ere, is that paracetamol can be taken at the same time as the 'normal daily allowance of alcohol'.....normal eh....
'Reg'
Re: WRT TLS or TTMS?
Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 1:07 pm
by RIP
Sat across from James Acaster (fan of his comedy, Mock The Week etc), presumably off to Mach Comedy Festival. I'm sure he'd have a field day riffing off our lunatic escapades. "I was coming here on the train this morning and there was this crackpot across from me.... etc etc". Hmm, might need to modify our route slightly

. Nice bivi spot behind the sports field afterwards too

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Re: WRT TLS or TTMS?
Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 1:38 pm
by MarkW
Bearbonesnorm wrote:You two definitely haven't won then.
You stick to yer guns fella. We'll have none of that kg nonsense 'ere ......... although grams is the preferred unit for weighing smaller stuff obviously.

As it's the 10th WRT i think the scale of weight should be of the same order. Metric!

Re: WRT TLS or TTMS?
Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 2:03 pm
by whitestone
Reet, about to head down to Dylife, will see whoever's turning up sometime this evening.
Re: WRT TLS or TTMS?
Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 4:07 pm
by middleagedmadness
Just got packed for tomorrow ,early start , as for the weigh in please tell me there's something for the heaviest , now coming in at mid 50,s, maybe it's the little whisky I have for reg
Re: WRT TLS or TTMS?
Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 4:51 pm
by Bearbonesnorm
now coming in at mid 50,s,
Pah, mid-50's that'll only place you mid-pack

Re: WRT TLS or TTMS?
Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 5:00 pm
by middleagedmadness
Bearbonesnorm wrote:now coming in at mid 50,s,
Pah, mid-50's that'll only place you mid-pack

Yep but these are the scales I use to weigh in for fat fighters so could possibly add a few more pounds on to that

Re: WRT TLS or TTMS?
Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 6:15 pm
by Asposium
RIP wrote:
Made a literally last 5 minute decision to pull out the winter bag in favour of summer one....
Seeing the weather forecast am thinking the same
Re: WRT TLS or TTMS?
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 9:59 pm
by Ian
Scattamah wrote:TLS for me, which I always feel is TTMS when I see the pork pie winners setup. My setup is a trial run for XWA later in the month, so I'm not expecting it to be day-trippin' weight. I'll be happy to get below 40lbs which IIRC, is where a loaded Lois has come in last couple of times on the "Scales of Truth" (Ya otter TM that, Taylor).
Greetz
S.
Says he who won this year’s pork pie

Re: WRT TLS or TTMS?
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 8:52 am
by Scattamah
Yeah...I still think the scales were broken :) Only taken me 4 years to get to pork pie stardom.
Greetz
S.
Re: WRT TLS or TTMS?
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 2:47 pm
by Wilkyboy
Back from Wales and missing you already
To cheer myself up, I just stripped my packs down and made a note of everything I took and everything I
didn't use, and it's interesting to see how far away from TLS Nirvana I was, I think.
By the end, it seems I was carrying 2.8kg of stuff that I did not use. This consisted of a fair number of obvious items — waterproofs, tools, spares — but also included a little too much food and drink (I didn't originally plan on passing through Bala) and one or two spares-too-many. I also erred a little too much on the side of caution on meths and batteries.
Of that 2.8kg, I would happily put 1.5kg back into my packs, to cover my bases: 'proofs, tools and spares all go in (I removed a few spare standard batteries, but not many), and I'm happy to take a little extra fuel (but just a little) and USB-charging battery capacity, just in case. A spare food pack also does no harm.
So, in the end, I carried 1.3kg of stuff that I didn't need to.
Taylor weighed my bike + CamelBak in at 56.5lb (25.6kg) and if I'd tried harder with my TLS then it could've been 53.6lb (24.3kg) — and I would've still been 22.6lb away from winning the pork pie

Re: WRT TLS or TTMS?
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 2:56 pm
by Scattamah
The irony is I carried things that I didn't use as well. Could've knocked another pound off the final weight.
@Taylor/Stu - what's the lowest you've weighed over the 10 years?
Greetz
S.
Re: WRT TLS or TTMS?
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 3:04 pm
by chris n
Wilkyboy wrote: 22.6lb away from winning the pork pie

My bike (sans gear) weighed less than that.

Re: WRT TLS or TTMS?
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 3:09 pm
by whitestone
Well hopefully you'll never have to use the tools or spares but you'd look a bit of a tool without them should anything go wrong

I didn't use the following:
1 pair AA rechargeable batteries.
1 set spare brake pads
1 set of recharging leads
Lightweight waterproof top
Spare pair gloves
Spare inner tube
Tools (pump, multi-tool, etc)
First aid kit
Rear light
I almost got away with not using the Joystick but used it for about five minutes on the Sunday bivy. Got back with maybe half a kg of food that we hadn't eaten.
I could have done with a better lighter or waterproof matches to get the stove going on Sunday night
The bit of kit I was most surprised to use was my Chouinard Expedition Sewing Kit
http://www.patagonia.com/product/expedi ... 12000.html
I bought this over thirty years ago during my climbing days and Sunday morning was the first time I've ever used it - we came across Kevin(?) who'd split a tyre sidewall and he used it to sew it back together.
Re: WRT TLS or TTMS?
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 3:26 pm
by Taylor
Scattamah wrote:The irony is I carried things that I didn't use as well. Could've knocked another pound off the final weight.
@Taylor/Stu - what's the lowest you've weighed over the 10 years?
Greetz
S.
I think alpkit Nick has the honour of lightest bike, I didn't laugh much when I saw him at Nant yr Arian cafe and he admitted to being way to cold overnight after using a tea towel sized quilt to sleep with.
Sadly I can't remember his weight, somewhere around 29 lbs iirc.
Re: WRT TLS or TTMS?
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 3:48 pm
by Scattamah
Ah yes...you did mention that. Saturday fried me pretty badly it seems. I have a target for next year. :)
Greetz
S.
Re: WRT TLS or TTMS?
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 3:50 pm
by Dr Nick
I was rather shocked when my new FAT bike with front suspension, fully loaded, weighed 9lbs less than my old steel rigid alfine equipped genesis fortitude 29er loaded up for my previous WRT
Between my Bear Bones fatfighting efforts, changing bike, buying better kit and TLSing, bike, kit and rider was 9kg lighter than my last WRT. (Sorry for mixing metric and imperial units in this post).
I'm also fitter, so it was very odd to be climbing quicker on the fattie than I had done so previously on the 29er.

Re: WRT TLS or TTMS?
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 4:02 pm
by Bearbonesnorm
@Taylor/Stu - what's the lowest you've weighed over the 10 years?
I'm sure Taylor's right and Nick was sub 30lb and hypothermic one year.
Re: WRT TLS or TTMS?
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 4:41 pm
by whitestone
Slightly different tack - who was it who turned up on Saturday morning asking if anyone had a spare chainring? I'm assuming that Stu had one spare as I've a couple of shots of the bodge in the yard underway

Re: WRT TLS or TTMS?
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 9:41 pm
by Gummikuh
That was a lad on a genesis longitude who thought bike maintenance consisted of changing the chain now and again, bumped into him near Dolgellau and he was in the small ring all the way. Think he was alright as we passed his bivvy and he was standing up.