BareBones Fatfighters - The weigh in

[godivatrailrider]

When I mentioned food diary, I wasn't really meaning as a way to count calories. More of a way to help see exactly what you're eating with regard to carbs, protein, fat, etc. There's a lot of 'hidden' carbs out there and it's easy to eat more than you believe.

I love Dates ..... a great trail snack ..... rammed full of carbs :( Might account for my slow weight loss....

[Bearbonesnorm]

I love Dates ..... a great trail snack ..... rammed full of carbs :( Might account for my slow weight loss....

Unless we're riding for 4 to 5 hours plus at a fairly high intensity, then we probably don't need any trail snacks

[Richard G]

Interestingly, a small amount of carbs at regular intervals actually increases your fat burn when doing cardio. However, that's a SMALL amount, not three snickers and a beer. :D

Also reduces rate of perceived exertion... but you can actually trick your body into this by swishing a high carb drink around your mouth and then spitting it out. Ha, take that brain!

[Ian]

Carbohydrate in alcohol can only be absorbed through the liver, I think (not checked this as fact, mind you)

I've been logging everything I eat since the start of the new year. Trying to keep to 1800 kcal, before exercise. Today is the first day I've felt really empty and crap. But I do need to get out on the bike, remind my legs that I still need them for pedalling and generally blow away the cobwebs of the last two weeks...

[Moder-dye]

And then there's net carbs....

Lots of discussion, but I think it's fair to say a carb isn't a carb in relation to how much is absorbed, rate of absorption and effect on insulin in relation to those.

[Richard G]

I've been logging everything I eat since the start of the new year. Trying to keep to 1800 kcal, before exercise.

That's basically exactly where I am at the moment. Much lower than that for me and it starts to affect my lifting.

[NorwayCalling]

Maybe I am missing something here but is it not as simple as:


Energy in (calories) = Energy Out (Calories burnt) = Parity

Energy In < Energy Out = Weight Loss.

Energy In > Energy Out = Weight gain.

Energy is energy. I have had too much energy going in for the amount I have been expending in my daily life hence being fat.

I am changing my lifestyle to address this balance by just eating less.... no "good" or "bad" or "counting this, weighing that".... just putting less in the tank and continuing on with the same amount of work (5000km of cycling with hill walking, surfing etc).

Personally, I know if i got too focused on this or that food, I could not stick to it long term and be very unhappy... too old for that. I know soooo many women who fixate on carbs, the sin that is a potato or lettuce or rice cakes, go back to eating what normal people eat and pile the weight (and more) back on.

All I know and what (i hope) will work for me is this: Energy In (in what ever form) should not be more than Energy Out. Simple. Just by thinking about it you naturally eat less.

[godivatrailrider]

Maybe I am missing something here but is it not as simple as:


Energy in (calories) = Energy Out (Calories burnt) = Parity

Energy In < Energy Out = Weight Loss.

Energy In > Energy Out = Weight gain.

Energy is energy. I have had too much energy going in for the amount I have been expending in my daily life hence being fat.

I am changing my lifestyle to address this balance by just eating less.... no "good" or "bad" or "counting this, weighing that".... just putting less in the tank and continuing on with the same amount of work (5000km of cycling with hill walking, surfing etc).

Personally, I know if i got too focused on this or that food, I could not stick to it long term and be very unhappy... too old for that. I know soooo many women who fixate on carbs, the sin that is a potato or lettuce or rice cakes, go back to eating what normal people eat and pile the weight (and more) back on.

All I know and what (i hope) will work for me is this: Energy In (in what ever form) should not be more than Energy Out. Simple. Just by thinking about it you naturally eat less.

100% agree. It's the knowing what you're burning, vs what you're eating that's where most people get it wrong. I cycle to work, ok it's only 3.5miles ( I do 6-10miles on the way home, and this will extend as the nights draw out/weather gets warmer). How many calories do I burn cycling 10 miles a day? I'm 17st and 49 (seriously just... :( ) I walk 1.6 miles at lunch @ 4.1mph.... I do a HIIT .... I doubt it's more than 600-800 calories worth of exercise..
My sister , a big girl, always used to say "I only had muesli for breakfast, and a salad for lunch" ..... then I saw how much muesli .... nearly a bowlful, probably 5 or 6 days worth..... and the salad turned out to be a good sized tupperware box of pasta salad..... it all became clear Us big folks tend to underestimate our food and overestimate the exercise...... it's why we're fat.

[whitestone]

The problem with a lot (not all) of the studies regarding diet is that someone comes up with a hypothesis and the study, surprise, surprise, supports that hypothesis.

Energy wise a calorie is just that - a unit of energy so they are equal. The problem seems to be how that energy is presented to and transported around the human body. Quite possibly it isn't just one food type that's the problem but combinations like processed fats and processed sugars that trick the body into undesired behaviour.

[Bearbonesnorm]

I don't know whether it's quite as simple as less in and more out equals weight loss ... I used to. As has already been mentioned, there's a lot of info to support the theory that different food groups work in different ways within the body.

It's a fairly complicated subject and it's unlikely that everyone will ever agree but anyone interested in finding out more should do some reading up on the 'Insulin response'. 'Racing Weight' by Matt Fitzgerald is well worth a read and 'Eat Bacon, Don't Jog' by Grant Petersen is another. You might not agree with the theory but surely, having as much info as possible will make things easier ... just approach it with an open mind.

[Richard G]

It depends what you're talking about really. At the purest level, in all ward studies that I've ever read, it really does come down to calories in vs calories out. (I've got four years of personal data that pretty much bares this out too)

However, when you're talking about things like diet adherence, satiety, energy levels, hormones etc... all of that goes out the window and it really is a case of finding what works best for you. That's why I caution strongly against silver bullet diets. What works amazingly for me, may not work at all for you.

[Bearbonesnorm]

That's why I caution strongly against silver bullet diets. What works amazingly for me, may not work at all for you.

Which is why I said -

You might not agree with the theory but surely, having as much info as possible will make things easier ... just approach it with an open mind.

I'm not sure there is a 'quick fix diet', even absolute starvation takes a while and isn't very sustainable long-term

[ton]

just like to say, I have not lost a single ounce since this thing began.
cant stop eating, think I need serious medical help for this. I am never ever full after a meal. could always eat more.

I have ridden more this month than I rode from august to xmas tho.........could this be the reason.

[Richard G]

Exercise makes you hungry. Of this there is no question.

I'm not sure there is a 'quick fix diet', even absolute starvation takes a while and isn't very sustainable long-term

As long as you get the vitamins you need, you can go further than you might think...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... 5-0056.pdf

[ZeroDarkBivi]

60.1, +300g. Arse!

Oddly the 'body composition' guess-ometer reckoned I had a lower fat % than last week. Putting it down to the turd I released an hour later...!

[adjustablewench]

Some of you may be interested in this radio 4 program (and no you don't have to be ancient to listen to radio 4 Mike!). It is looking at research into obesity by Sadaf Farooqi, whilst it does focus on answers to severe obesity it does give an interesting insight into how people can have vastly different metabolic rates, and even vary in the food we favour.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08b7vyg

[ianfitz]

A fairly light look at lchf diet by trying it http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... d=b07xwstx

[Matt]

Not doing BB fat fighting as tend to to stick to STW for non Bikepacking stuff

But by using a combination of

Being beaten by Taylor up a hill (motivation)

Restricting Calories (less fuel)

Reducing Carbs (I already have on board fuel l need to use up)

No Alcohol (Purity of mind)

And a bit of exercise (Less than usual)

As of today I've dropped 18lbs since Jan 1st

[Bearbonesnorm]

As of today I've dropped 18lbs since Jan 1st

[Matt]

Hopefully the legs retain the power after years of resistance training

[Ian]

As of today I've dropped 18lbs since Jan 1st

Just think what that'll do for your bunny hopping abilities

[Richard G]

vaguely exciting job Matt. You'll lose a little bit of power, but you wont notice because you'll be getting up the hills faster anyway.

I'm down roughly another kg for the week. 2kg to go to my target. Really feeling the lack of calories when training now though. :(

[Fat tyre kicker]

Matt.....are you eating sawdust ? ....seriously though, well done,I'm hoping
To achieve that amount by the Jan 2018 weigh in

[Matt]

Matt.....are you eating sawdust ?

Strangely enough last week I did manage to injest quite a large amount of sawdust

[barney]

I'm a rather embarrassing 90kg

today I am 85.9kg

That's a loss of 4kg (or 8.8lbs in old money), mostly down to a sensible diet as oppose to lots of exercise.

Not a single Ginster since last year !