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Bearbonesnorm
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by Bearbonesnorm » Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:24 am
Jones Loops in carbon ... exactly the same dimensions but 47% lighter than the alloy version. Prices and eta unknown but I'd start saving
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by jay91 » Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:04 am
Just seen these look ace I'm guessing £200
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by Bearbonesnorm » Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:07 am
I'm guessing £200
I'll raise ya ... £262
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by jay91 » Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:16 am
how much are normal loops £130?
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by Bearbonesnorm » Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:22 am
how much are normal loops £130?
Alloy about £135, Ti around £450.
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by jay91 » Sat Aug 09, 2014 9:46 am
Bloody hell. Who's making the carbon ones guessing its not Jeff him self?
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by johnnystorm » Sat Aug 09, 2014 11:46 am
jay91 wrote: Bloody hell. Who's making the carbon ones guessing its not Jeff him self?
Isn't all the Jones stuff made in Taiwan anyway?
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by Ian » Sat Aug 09, 2014 4:19 pm
Tempting for rigid set ups. I'll start saving...
Might be some cheap* sets of alloy loops coming up.
* relatively speaking
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by jameso » Sat Aug 09, 2014 5:06 pm
Heard that these were due .. very nice indeed. Jeff's noted the number of racers using them I guess, good to see he's not set in materials ways. £262 is actually pretty fair vfm for carbon bars like that, well based on the prices the rest of the Jones kit is anyway.
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by Bearbonesnorm » Sat Aug 09, 2014 5:24 pm
£262
I made that ^ bit up ... it's pure speculation.
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by ScotRoutes » Sat Aug 09, 2014 5:52 pm
They should be cheaper to produce than the alloy ones - not that production cost has much to do with Jones pricing
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by Ray Young » Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:42 pm
ScotRoutes wrote: They should be cheaper to produce than the alloy ones - not that production cost has much to do with Jones pricing
Production costs have nothing to do with pricing whatsoever, people are charged what the market is prepared to pay. Hence £100+ trainers, Klein bikes of old and yes, Jones bars. Oh, forgot to mention how much people are prepared to pay in order to say the house they live in is theirs when it's actually not until the mortgage is paid. That will be approximately three times what they borrow, probably more these days. No wonder bankers take the piss and think they can do what they like.
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by jameso » Sat Aug 09, 2014 10:51 pm
s8tannorm wrote: £262
I made that ^ bit up ... it's pure speculation.
ah : ) thought it was based on a $ price you'd seen. I'll guess 300 then.
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by jameso » Sat Aug 09, 2014 11:01 pm
ScotRoutes wrote: They should be cheaper to produce than the alloy ones - not that production cost has much to do with Jones pricing
Can't think of much that's cheaper to make in carbon than alu. Tooling and labour etc.
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by 99percentchimp » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:10 am
Nice - might have a pair for the fat bike - match the carbon forks nicely
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by Yorlin » Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:36 pm
Charlie the Bikemonger posted the press release - has some nice pics
https://www.facebook.com/Charlie.The.Bi ... 0033688008
(I hope that's a working link, you can never tell with faceboak)
"The Carbon 710mm Loop H-Bar weighs only 275g (this is 240g less than the (516g) aluminum version). It passes the same strict EN/EU mountain bike standards as the aluminum and titanium bars. It is identical to our existing Loop H-bars — all the same natural hand positions, control and comfort, but 47% lighter!!"
Edit to add, d'oh so of course they have a facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/jonesbikes so you can relentlessly check it for updates throughout the day...
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by jameso » Mon Aug 11, 2014 7:37 pm
So if I cut it down to the normal H-bar width .. it's even lighter ..
(no.. not weenie enough here, not sold yet)
Bearbonesnorm
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by Bearbonesnorm » Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:46 pm
$295 or £185 ... cheaper than I thought. We'll have to wait and see what that actually equates to once they land in the UK.
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by Brothersmith » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:30 pm
That's actually quite reasonable considering the price of alloy Jones bars, I may even be tempted at that price.
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by atk » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:43 pm
Aren't alloy listed as $125 and here they're sold for £120-130...
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by Mart » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:03 pm
I will guess same price in £ as $.
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by Charliecres » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:48 pm
Why doesn't someone copy the Jones bars at a sensible price? Is the market just too small?
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by FLV » Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:35 pm
I just st typed a huge long response to how it's not so easy to copy (or ethical) and its gone, bugger
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by FLV » Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:36 pm
many posts it seems. using a phone dosnt work too well.
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by FLV » Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:45 pm
Balls...
It went again....
Basically, Jeff could get analysis and simulation on his existing products and apply to new.
Other, copiers could do this too, but they rarely have the the same agenda or indeed be aware of the original output goal vs the input recieved
Also, you do have to pay a small amount (or large) to have ideas and expertise on your bike. Which to be honest is sometimes undervalued, Jones has some interesting ideas that I've yet to fully
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